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In Spain, the discontent of the population against government authorities is growing due to the trend of the pandemic in Spain and especially in Madrid both for the sentences pronounced by government representatives and in February which ensured that there was nothing to worry about because everything was under control but above all because when the epidemic broke out in Italy and measures were taken by the Italian government restrictive, no one in Spain has banned large demonstrations such as that of March 8 in Madrid which is considered to be that
which favored the enormous development of contagions in the capital with many participants who then tested positive for COVID-19 as for example the wife of Premier Sancez who was in the front row of the procession that marched through the streets of Madrid.

 

It's a bad time for Spain because in addition to COVID-19 there is the recent scandal involving King Juan Carlos for his secret funds with the people who ask for immediate use to help hospital needs and how successful during the speech made last Wednesday by the king regent Filipe the protest in Spain manifested itself with the " Cacerolada " a " noisy " but peaceful protest of the Spaniards with the use of ... pots, lids and kitchen utensils.

In this video there is the "Cacerolada" made by the Spanish for the scandal of the secret funds owned by the King Juan and other Cacerolades have been programmed via social networks to protest government authorities.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSNOx3c5gf8

 

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In Italy the hypothesis that COVID-19  " could have changed " is being evaluated.

 

To advance the hypothesis is Maria Rita Gismondo, director of the Laboratory of clinical microbiology, virology and diagnostics of bio-emergencies of the Sacco hospital in Milan, reference center against COVID-19.
 

The expert expresses "a convergent thought" with that of virologist Ilaria Capua, professor at the University of Florida:


"In Lombardy there is something we don't understand. China's deaths were overcome in an infinitesimally smaller area and in a  shorter time. Something strange is happening - warns Gismondo - In Lombardy there is an aggressiveness of the COVID-19 that cannot be explained. The hypotheses can all be valid ", he specifies, but" one is that the virus has perhaps changed ".

 

For this “I launch an appeal to the community scientific: let's unite to understand - urges the virologist - If we all get together and study a piece of it, we will probably succeed
to understand ".

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Last year (2018-2019) the yearly flu killed over 15 000 persons in Spain, so far we have 1 326 dead.... We need to start to see things from the right perspective. 

 

Jack

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Jack the Swede in Spain said:

Last year (2018-2019) the yearly flu killed over 15 000 persons in Spain, so far we have 1 326 dead.... We need to start to see things from the right perspective. 

 

Jack

 

 

 

Jack, please look at percentages rather than absolute numbers. The mortality rate of COVID-19 is about 20 times higher than flu. Thus, if it spreads to all of society you don't even want to imagine the consequences.  We are only a few months into 2020, without a vaccine, this year will be devastating.

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Sorry JacK but I'm thrilled for what you wrote.

"All" influences like last year's have their "medicine" or "vaccine" while COVID-19 does not "yet" have a vaccine or medicine and this should make us understand the danger of this contagion is a pandemony that potentially if left untreated  as it is happening "all over the world" could assume the infectious potential as those in past centuries such as the plague that made 20 million victims in Europe or the Spanish fever that killed 100 million people in the world just because there were no vaccines or medicines for treatment as until now for the COVID-19 that I remind you is still an "unknown" virus and certainly not comparable to any known and treatable influence.

At least I, I dare not think what would have happened if these drastic decisions like the first were not made by the Chinese quarantine at home and I don't understand how you don't consider that the whole world has now decreed ... third world war Vs COVID-19 ho do you think they are all ... crazy?
 
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BrianV, do not quite follow you, here are the procentages in Spain.

 

Flu: 3,214744963566224e-4 %

Corona: 2,914702100300043e-5 %

 

Do not see where you got the "20 times higher" information.

 

So IMHO it is far more grater risk to die in the flu.

 

Jack

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Not only casualties are to regret or worry about here, the economic disaster is a deep wound, something to be afraid of because it is causing havoc, instability that could lead to fatal social chaos. Being tourism the #1 source of income to the country this virus threw us to the ground.We're biting the dust. More that 600 employees have been fired, me one of them. And searching for a job at this stage is useless until not recovering a bit. If tourism doesn't improve a second round of layoffs may occur. Some other sectors industries have also fired people, Spoon for example, 100 employees. Though numbers might look small compared to other countries they are significant for a small country like ours where we suffer a unemployment rate of 12.4%. This is not a nice picture.

 

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I am very sorry to hear this Carlos. I wish you the very best and hopefully things will improve sooner rather than later. Indeed, this is bleak for the employment and economy.

 

Jack, you seem to divide with the total population, not the diagnosed cases. Look at Italy where things are worst. 4,000 fatalities and 47,000 diagnosed cases (many in critical conditions). This equals 4/47 = 8.5%. Things are not equally bad everywhere but about 3% is not unlikely. Many people will be immune to flu, but as of yet, essentially nobody will be immune to coronavirus. Thus, just in Spain the mortality could reach a million unless the spread is contained or a vaccine is produced. That is why governments are taking drastic measures. This is extremely serious, trust me.

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With the flu, you know when you have it, and you stay in bed, not infecting many others, COVID-19 is different, some say 85% of people do not know they have for the few few weeks, so pass it on to many other people, it's an airborne virus, molecules floating in the air for up to 3hrs, anybody breathing it can then be infected.  It's not the flu.  Just look on youtube at the Bergamo hospital live programs that Sky has been showing, it brings you to tears, they know 30% in a room stuffed full of patients are going to die because of their age, but now many younger patients are not showing signs of improving, and this is one of the most advanced hospitals in Europe.  My wide and daughter just had the flu for 2 weeks, crazy high fevers etc, stayed in bed mostly, I looked after them, they got better and are now fine....and I never caught it, felt perfect the whole time.  This isn't the flu, that attitude will have you dead!

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There are at least 10,356 confirmed cases of COVID-19 across New York, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said in a press conference Saturday.
At least 45,000 people have been tested for COVID-19, the governor said. About 15% of those cases are being hospitalized.
"The more test you take, the more positives you find," Cuomo said.

 


Gov. Andrew Cuomo said New York state is in need of medical gowns and is doing everything it can to fill that need.
"It's a gown shortage statewide. We're doing better with masks. We're doing better with ventilators, nowhere near where we need to be with ventilators, we need 30,000 ventilators, we're at 6,000. But at least we got to 6,000," Cuomo said on Saturday during a press conference. "The masks, the medical community has told me over and over again, the masks are the priority for the Covid-19. So we have made progress on masks. Gowns are also very important no doubt. But we have not been successful, as of yet, with finding a supplier of gowns."

 

 

Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Gimenez issued an emergency order Saturday closing all hotels, motels and other lodging due to coronavirus.
Exceptions are available for those housing essential personnel and those who have been displaced due to the virus, a press release from the mayor said.
All short-term vacation rentals must end by March 23 until further notice, the release said.
Gimenez also included an order for boats to stop "rafting up" for parties at sea or in Biscayne Bay.

 

 

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The situation in Italy is increasingly disastrous.

 

In the last 24 hours only in Lombardy, the region of Italy most affected has recorded 546 deaths with a total of 3095 dead.

 

Lombardy is a region of 20 that are in Italy in the first place for inhabitants who are 10 million and has one of population density among the highest in Italy with 422 inhabitants / km² in an area of 23.863 km².

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Italian Premier Giuseppe Conte on Facebook:


" Yesterday, we launched an extraordinary appeal to create a task force of 300 doctors who can operate in regional health facilities, strengthening the action of those who are exposed to the frontline to fight against Covid-19 in these hours.
It is one of the answers put in place to collect the alarm cry launched by the hospitals of the most affected Regions and Provinces, where doctors, nurses and volunteers are working tirelessly in difficult conditions to assist the sick.
The online call (https://medicipercovid.protezionecivile.it) will expire tonight at 20.00 and is open to all doctors of the National Health Service, affiliated structures and freelancers.

 

Over 3,500 doctors have already responded to the appeal, a number that is growing by the hour.

 

A strong sign of solidarity and a spirit of service which once again testifies to the extraordinary courage of the national community. In such a difficult moment, this is yet another generous response that all of us Italians can be proud of.

 

Thank you all, heroes in a white coat ."

 

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The situation in Italy is increasingly tragic after the data communicated by the Italian Civil Protection


In the last 24 hours 793 people have died, for a total of 4,825 since the beginning of the epidemic. The number of positives rose by another 4,921 units today, for a total of 42,681. There are 2,857 hospitalized patients in intensive care, while those recovered have risen today 6,072 (+943 in the last 24 hours).

 

 

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There are 21,240 cases of the novel coronavirus in the United States, according to CNN Health’s tally of US cases that are detected and tested in the country through its public health systems. So far, 267 people have died. 

The total includes cases from all 50 states, Washington, DC, and other US territories, as well as all repatriated cases. 

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Once money and jewels disappeared now the ... masks for hospitals disappear!

 

Complaint in Italy of the Lazio Region which includes the capital Rome. An official said:

 

"It is serious and absurd that more than 23 thousand FFP2 masks purchased from the Lazio Region have been removed from customs in Poland. It is a fact of unheard of gravity and we immediately informed the National Civil Protection, which I thank,   with the subsequent intervention of our diplomatic authorities. We request that the devices be returned to the Lazio Region unduly stolen. I thank the Italian Embassy in Poland and our foreign ministry for their immediate interest. "

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2 hours ago, BrianV said:

I am very sorry to hear this Carlos. I wish you the very best and hopefully things will improve sooner rather than later.

Thanks a lot Brian

I do hope too

Blessings

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Virus circulating in italy is not the same virus that affected China. Obviously it's only an idea, my two cents that i expressed months ago. We will see :) Prato is a city of 400.000 people, and there are 200.000 of chineses only living there. No one was affected by the virus. Who could explain this? They generally go to China and return 2 times per year. Instead the North of Italy was hit, with an explosion of cases in Bergamo. In the rest of the country not the same situation, but a lot of people moved from the North to the South in the meanwhile. I concluded that this virus seems to have a sort of artificial intelligence, he knows well where to hit and when. Take it like a fairy tale.

 

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On ‎3‎/‎15‎/‎2020 at 8:32 PM, olderndirt said:

A thing I haven't seen mentioned is how an event like this tends to reveal realities about the folks we elected.  Not to be political but, when this has run its course, we'll have a different bunch of heroes.

Not really.....they just change suits and march on.

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Ciao Matteo,

 

you are not alone in thinking that in Italy it is the same Chinese virus as I reported in post 122.

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10 minutes ago, robpol471 said:

Ciao Matteo,

 

you are not alone in thinking that in Italy it is the same Chinese virus as I reported in post 122.

 

I'm not Matteo, but yes, i saw your post :)

 

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Ti chiedo scusa MAURIZIO!

 

My old age plays tricks on me and I start to think that ... who knows when I have to make an appointment with an ... optician |

 

Ciao

Roberto

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Fear, joy and pain for the first positive for Italian COVID-19.

 

In Italy Mattia the "patient 1" the first Italian positive to COVID-19 a 38 year old man is a sportsman who did amateur marathons and had done a few days before the hospitalization which took place exactly one month ago , after long treatments and having at risk of dying from pneumonia, he should be discharged within days from the Pavia hospital where he is hospitalized.

 

The pregnant wife also tested positive but fortunately she is healed and Mattia will have the joy of seeing his first daughter born but we hope that this birth will ease the pain of the death of his father, also affected by COVID-19 and that to reporters, when his son was hospitalized, he declared that he was desperate for his son's condition but then, unfortunately, he also tested positive and died today.

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Just a small clarification: the virus name is SARS-CoV-2  (acronym for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2) ,the disease caused by it is called COVID-19 (abbreviation of COronaVIrus Disease-2019) 

A German would have been the first European to contract the new Chinese coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2 , and to start spreading in Europe.

To report it is the renowned New England Journal of Medicine , providing interesting details on the circumstances of his infection.
To infect him, as reported by the American magazine, would have been a Chinese entrepreneur who traveled to Germany between 19 and 22 January and then tested positive for Covid-19 once she returned home.

During this period, the two would have had several business meetings, during which the woman would not have manifested any symptoms, however managing to infect the German man and at least two other colleagues. Before the symptoms manifested, the man moved for work to the Italian branch of his company (the Webasto of Munich) located in the town of Codogno, near Milan, where the first Italian outbreak of the COVID-19 infection started.

 

 

 

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An important discovery that makes you understand how important it is to stay at home and, above all, not to run or exercise outdoors in these days

It has been shown that SARS-2 (as the virus is called, Covid19 is the disease it causes) to survive once it is expelled from the infected human body through the mouth by speaking or with a cough, and through the upper airways blowing our nose or with a sneeze, it remains suspended in the air in a cloud of aerosol, trying to catch on the multitude of atmospheric particles that are suspended in it, which keep it at altitude and make it travel and twirl at a distance like the leaves at the wind, waiting to be inhaled by the victim of the moment. If then the unfortunate passer-by is a more or less young sportsman who trains running with his mouth open, breathing deeply for physical and muscular effort, thus introducing and expelling a greater quantity of air for the same reason, the chances of inhaling or swallowing the suspended virus become dangerously high, for about 20-30 minutes, if in its path it was preceded by an unaware healthy carrier of the virus, which spread it in aerosol before its passage.
In addition, jogging lovers during their run generally sweat, fatigue, produce liquids in large quantities, frequently expel oro-pharyngeal and nasal secretions, which are eliminated naturally and spontaneously during the fast journey, which, if contaminated by the Corona , contribute to the spread of the epidemic by air.
The most dangerous time for a doctor these days is when he is performing a nasal swab to a suspect patient, since, in the two or three seconds it takes to extract the long cotton swab from the nose and mouth of the potential patient, if it is present once removed from its natural habitat, the virus can detach itself from the medical device and disperse in the air around it, with a very high risk of contagion for all the people around it. For this reason, health workers who perform this apparently simple diagnostic test are always protected like colleagues who work daily in dedicated infectious wards.
This is also the reason why not only is running not recommended in this period

Inform all your friends that they should ignore or underestimate the danger of this virus. We in Italy have learned it at our expense ...

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7 hours ago, Jack the Swede in Spain said:

Last year (2018-2019) the yearly flu killed over 15 000 persons in Spain, so far we have 1 326 dead.... We need to start to see things from the right perspective. 

 

Jack

 

 

 

That's our perspective....

Seventy Army  trucks brought a hundred coffins from the cemetery of Bergamo to the crematories of other regions where there are municipalities that have made themselves available to accept them. This is what happened on the evening of Wednesday 18 March.

This is because there are too many victims in Bergamo for coronaviruses and a part of the bodies, for cremation, are transferred to other territories, as cemeteries and morgues have exceeded the maximum available capacity ....

Today 21/03 at 22.40 pm we recorded 750 deaths in just one day......   No it's not like a flu....!!

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Shocking images of the emergency room of the Leganés Hospital in Madrid.

 

Sick people sitting on chairs with oxygen cylinders, sitting side by side or lying on beds parked in the corridors waiting with resignation for the arrival of a doctor.
Unfortunately, this is absolutely not the way to manage COVID-19 in an emergency room. Checks upon arrival of the sick must be done in areas separate from the emergency room for both checks and if found positive the sick must be hospitalized in places completely isolated from the rest of the hospital because if only one of those sick shown in the video was negative to COVID-19 we can imagine how little time it took to get infected.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7SwbppI4MQ

 

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The statements of the Premier Conte to the Italians with the new provisions:

 

 

« I have chosen not to hide the reality that is before our eyes every day. It is the most difficult crisis since the second post-war period. These days leave us images that will not be easy to erase from our memory. We must continue to respect all the rules, with patience and trust. These are strict measures, I am aware of it. Right now we have to resist. Our sacrifice to stay home, at least considering the risks faced by doctors and nurses, law enforcement personnel and road hauliers. Today we decided to take another step: to close any activities not strictly necessary. Supermarkets and groceries remain open and there is no reason to queue. Pharmacies, parapharmacies, banking and postal and insurance services will remain open. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, carlosqr said:

Not only casualties are to regret or worry about here, the economic disaster is a deep wound, something to be afraid of because it is causing havoc, instability that could lead to fatal social chaos. Being tourism the #1 source of income to the country this virus threw us to the ground.We're biting the dust. More that 600 employees have been fired, me one of them. And searching for a job at this stage is useless until not recovering a bit. If tourism doesn't improve a second round of layoffs may occur. Some other sectors industries have also fired people, Spoon for example, 100 employees. Though numbers might look small compared to other countries they are significant for a small country like ours where we suffer a unemployment rate of 12.4%. This is not a nice picture.

 

Sorry to hear that Carlos, hopefully something will break soon and everything will return to normal my friend.

 

Best of luck! :)

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3 hours ago, adambar said:

Sorry to hear that Carlos, hopefully something will break soon and everything will return to normal my friend.

 

Best of luck! 

Thank you my friend

I hope so too

Being 51 is tough for getting a job here. Many companies don't go higher than 35-40

But I trust something will pop up

Cheers mate and be safe

 

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8 hours ago, Maurizio Giorgi said:

Virus circulating in italy is not the same virus that affected China. Obviously it's only an idea, my two cents that i expressed months ago. We will see :) Prato is a city of 400.000 people, and there are 200.000 of chineses only living there. No one was affected by the virus. Who could explain this? They generally go to China and return 2 times per year. Instead the North of Italy was hit, with an explosion of cases in Bergamo. In the rest of the country not the same situation, but a lot of people moved from the North to the South in the meanwhile. I concluded that this virus seems to have a sort of artificial intelligence, he knows well where to hit and when. Take it like a fairy tale.

 

Interesting indeed

Seems "selective"

Ciao

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7 hours ago, carlosqr said:

Interesting indeed

Seems "selective"

Ciao

Ciao Carlo, thanks :) I read abaout your situation and i am really sad, unfortunately the economic side of this tragedy seems to be a bit neclected in name, they say, of a superior interest that's the life. Nobody can except about this, but it's true as well, that they have to guarantee a dignified life as well and it's difficult to live if you loose the job, if you loose your money because the stock Exchange's speculations, if the system is not based anymore on the real economy but it's based instead on financial instruments, a paper castle that already caused a lot of damages in the past. Now we have all togheter and yes, i forget to mention that this selective virus seems to hit also according to the age of the people. Children mainly immunes, for luck, and people over 65 with more risk in some countries, in other countries instead a lot of people under 40 die, someone is infected twice and doesn't develop immunity like in general. So yes, this virus is a beast 

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18 minutes ago, Maurizio Giorgi said:

Ciao Carlo, thanks :) I read abaout your situation and i am really sad, unfortunately the economic side of this tragedy seems to be a bit neclected in name, they say, of a superior interest that's the life. Nobody can except about this, but it's true as well, that they have to guarantee a dignified life as well and it's difficult to live if you loose the job, if you loose your money because the stock Exchange's speculations, if the system is not based anymore on the real economy but it's based instead on financial instruments, a paper castle that already caused a lot of damages in the past. Now we have all togheter and yes, i forget to mention that this selective virus seems to hit also according to the age of the people. Children mainly immunes, for luck, and people over 65 with more risk in some countries, in other countries instead a lot of people under 40 die, someone is infected twice and doesn't develop immunity like in general. So yes, this virus is a beast 

Infact In the usual Monday press conference with Health Minister Jens Spahn, the director of the Koch Institute, Lothar Wieler, explained that in Germany, he worries that, unlike Italy, the virus only affects young people: " The age of the cases in Italy is different: the average age of the dead is 80 years old, and in Italy fewer infected people have been intercepted ". In Germany, however, "70% of cases are between 20 and 50 years old, and the average age of the infected is 40" It almost seems that it adapts according to the target available (in Italy the elderly are prevalent)

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Unfortunately, the trend of the data indicates that Spain follows Italy with the increasingly tragic situation in Madrid that has exceeded 1000 deaths.

 

COVID-19 Today's data in Spain

 

Total figures: 28,572 cases diagnosed, 1,720 deaths

   9,702 in Madrid (1,021 dead)
   4,704 in Catalonia (191 dead)
   2,097 in the Basque Country (97 dead)
   1,604 in the Valencian Community (69 dead)
   1,725 in Andalusia (47 dead)
   1,819 in Castilla-La Mancha (112 dead)
   1,744 in Castilla y León (74 dead)
      654 in La Rioja (18 dead)
      794 in Navarre (14 dead)
      915 in Galicia (12 dead)
      545 in Asturias (8 dead)
      532 in Aragon (24 dead)
      384 in Extremadura (14 dead)
      414 in the Canary Islands (7 dead)
      331 in the Balearic Islands (9 dead)
      296 in Murcia (1 dead)
      282 in Cantabria (5 dead)
       25 in Melilla
         5 in Ceuta
  

2,575 people have been treated

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We hope to say as soon as possible ... it happened at the time of COVID-19!

 

In Spain a woman is fined € 601 ($ 642) and accompanied home by the police for breaking the jogging quarantine   and another is arrested for the same reasons, with people yelling at her to comply with the police.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=DOYz_1584796036


Unfortunately, these people in Brazil have chosen the worst system to warn of the risks of COVID-19.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=u5xA0_1584816921


Two shoppers collide in a large line outside a supermarket in France to keep a distance of security during the COVID-19 block.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uYR88_1584672517

 

Hopefully the last one has found something!

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uzqg5_1584718670

 

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Russia is sending equipment and medical teams to Italy as the nation continues to fight its worsening coronavirus epidemic.

 

The Russian defense ministry said Sunday that it had started flying 100 doctors and virologists, along with disinfection equipment, to the country.

The first Il-76 aircraft of the Russian aerospace forces left the Moscow Chkalovsky military airfield on Sunday with Russian specialists and military equipment on board, the Russian military said in a statement.

Nine Il-76 transport planes, carrying military doctors, special vehicles for disinfection and other medical equipment, will land today at the Pratica di Mare military airport (near Rome), added the Italian Ministry of Defense.

 

This news came a day after the telephone conversations between Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte and the defense ministers of both countries.

According to a Kremlin reading, Russia agreed to provide assistance at the request of Italy, including protective equipment, KAMAZ truck-mounted units used for disinfection, medical and other equipment.

"Italy is not alone in this challenge," said Italian Defense Minister Lorenzo Guerini after speaking on the phone with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on Saturday, according to a reading. "I want to thank Russia for the help it is giving to our country to overcome this emergency."

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These are the data communicated by the Italian Ministry of the Interior on controls and complaints for those who violated the provisions issued by the Italian Government on the restrictions due to COVID-19.

 

The police force checked 208,053 people yesterday and 11,068 were denounced.

 

75,362 stores were checked, 142 operators reported and 20 stores suspended.

 

Thus the number of persons controlled from 11 to 21 March rose to 1,858,697,  82,041 were denounced,  910,023 were controlled businesses and 2,119 were denounced.

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