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When do you guys plan to release GB North , london city airport etc for p3dv4 ... I get emails on new releases and in my excitement grab my card ready to download the new software to halt,cry and read it's for xplane 11 ... great news for my friends with xplane but just wondered when the p3d family can have some early xmas presents ....

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Yes its very x-plane oriented and not only here. It feels like most FS news on Fselite and other news sites relate mostly to X-plane these days. I too have my wallet ready for things like TrueEarth UK North, Channel Islands, Honolulu, the Northern Alaska bundle, New Zealands Invercargill airport and other goodies that were announced back in December. That said Im happy for the X-plane guys :) they have not been spoilt with addons over the years so all good! But please throw us P3D users a bone every now and again as well please.

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44 minutes ago, Nick Cooper said:

Here is another topic on the same well worn theme.

 

Patience of a saint!

I say that as someone who is impatient generally, but recognise product development takes time for many reasons.

 

May I make a recommendation?

 

Create a single stickied post that lists all of the announced/in the pipeline scenery for each sim. JV's posts regarding new products tend to get missed in other threads unless one is a avid forum regular here.

Nothing fancy like Aimee's official release announcements required, just something to link to when you get posts like this. You'd be able to inform, then immediately lock with even less effort on your part.

May even reduce the frequency of these posts in the process.

 

My 2 cents.

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Oh the manifest and somewhat superior wisdom on display!  But of course you leave us with options too...I will probably buy London Airport for the experience of the special approach, but I've set up my Majestic Q400 from UK2000 Manchester EGCC now and produced and saved the routes around the UK and Western Europe and will therefore skip purchasing EGNX when it comes out in P3Dv4.  If the P3D version had been available at around the same time I would have made it my hub (though its not for Flybe).

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I've just learnt the world of back office Orbx. I never knew the machinations of scenery development and publishing. Thank you John for your explanation. It makes sense now.

Cheers

Graeme :)

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ORBX is a company, company are there to make money! They make money with Xplane users with stuff that already for the most part exist for P3D-FSX. Simple as that and good for Xplane fan.

They would do the same for Aerofly FS2 if AF2 as more fan. But sadly it's not the case.

 

ORBX have a lot of nice product, to the OP, maybe you can buy or use some of them?

For me it's our short summer.. I like to play outside so I don't use my sim pit much B)

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All this is very rational from the OrbX point of view. Now a  P3D user subjective point of view.

 

First, I'll skip the non-sensical  (my opinion, yours may differ) P3D vs XP debate. The XP crowd has been starved of good sceneries for years and it makes sense for OrbX to cater to their hunger. Before somebody else does.

 

As I see it as a P3D only user, all major developers do airports, only OrbX does regional sceneries (including fat regions, Global, Vector, OLC and PNG packages). Regions is where OrbX has an edge. Almost a monopoly. This segment is therefore where the expectations are high because we cannot find that kind of scenery elsewhere.

 

OrbX is now embarked on revisiting its former hits ( v2 for Australia, GB and West coast) that we've flown so much in the past years, with an entry ticket in terms of bandwidth, computer power and storage intimidating for some.

 

The last OLC and the last new fat region were released, if am not mistaken, at least two years ago (SA and GES). We recently got some reassuring news for OLC Africa and Asia, after a long silence. Nothing about new regions (LC or orthos), and I mean regions which have not been covered already.  Something fresh.  New grounds to fly.

 

Fair enough but that may explain part of the frustration of the P3D crowd...

 

 

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The US Northeast or Southeast, it seems to me, be would be logical candidates for Orbx Regions, ala PNW,  PFJ,  etc.  In the meantime, I'm satisfied with LC North America when it comes to flying in North America/US/Canada.

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Okay JV I will ask.

 

Is it the position of Orbx that True Earth Great Britain South for P3D  released in early Feb was basically a failure

because most users of this product had to drastically reduce their graphics options or seriously update their

hardware to have it run without a slideshow and as a result True Earth Great Britain Central and North for P3D

have been pulled from production.

 

It seems strange that nothing is heard about these additional regions nearly 6 months hence

from the developers. They don't seem to have a problem delivering PNW etc for XP11.

Why not complete entire product before moving on to the next?

 

noels7

 

 

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Dominique:  I am on the record as saying strongly the XP v P3D debate is tiresome and unnecessary, each to his own I say.  And also I accept the Orbx is a thorough going business, with a large and expensive staff ( I mean in total wages bill), and must keep bringing in revenue.  JV has gone a long way to ease my fears, but I still can't help some delicious conspiracy explanations.

If MS2020 is as revolutionary as it is made out to be, it will shunt P3D aside, and if I was Orbx I would be MS's best friend at this stage, and negotiating on the production of scenery for them.  If on the other hand LM P3Dv5 is good enough to counter the surge from MS then there are literally hundreds of airports, not just Orbx, now on the market, and yes there are regional packages from other publishers also on sale. Note MS has stressed third party involvement.

XP will always have a devoted group of followers and therefore seems fine for continued material to be published, if the market is big enough.

My guess is a MS2020 shunt...unless it fails to accommodate study level commercial aircraft, or at leas of the standard of Aerosoft A320 which is also part of other conspiracy theories.

I must stay alive until I am 81 to resolve all this speculation.

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23 minutes ago, macca22au said:

And now I read the advertisement more closely, and London City is for XP alone:  good luck to them, but bah, humbug.

 

Ian,

I think you missed this part of JV's post, where he mentions the P3D version of London City is 80% complete.

Rejoice my friend!  :)

 

13 hours ago, John Venema said:

With the recent releases of EGNX and EGLC for XP11, the P3D versions are about 80% complete and will be released soon.

 

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15 hours ago, John Venema said:

OK since you asked ...

 

Orbx has two streams of development:

 

1. Independent Contractor Developers for Airports -

2. In-House Developers for Airports and Regions -

 

Thank you, this was very interesting to know and explains many things

Cheers

 

Carlos

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5 hours ago, macca22au said:

 

I must stay alive until I am 81 to resolve all this speculation.

 

Nice to have a goal in life to keep on going, hey :lol: ?

 

If FS20 covers with aerial imagery+autogen or photogrammetry models the popular regions that OrbX covers once again (and again and again, John V was speaking of a TEGB v2 recently ie a GB v3 !), that may push them to open the windows and look outside of the British Isles, the West Coast or Australia.  And I dont mean Germany or Norway :lol: ! Who knows ? New territories, we need need fresh air. Japan, Italy, Greece, France, Southern Rockies, Florida the Caribbean islands !  When we were young and stupid, we used to say in France, 'be realistic, demand the impossible'  !

 

I agree with you Ian the scenery market will become interesting. For the better. 

 

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6 hours ago, noels7 said:

Okay JV I will ask.

 

Is it the position of Orbx that True Earth Great Britain South for P3D  released in early Feb was basically a failure

because most users of this product had to drastically reduce their graphics options or seriously update their

hardware to have it run without a slideshow and as a result True Earth Great Britain Central and North for P3D

have been pulled from production.

 

It seems strange that nothing is heard about these additional regions nearly 6 months hence

from the developers. They don't seem to have a problem delivering PNW etc for XP11.

Why not complete entire product before moving on to the next?

 

noels7

 

Nice theory, but totally wrong. TEGB South for P3D has sold very, very well indeed. I am not sure where you get the impression it has been a failure. We have repeatedly told our customers the rest of the TEGB series for P3D are on hold until GIS specialist Sasha Normann joins our team full-time in September. He is relocating back to Europe from Asia in the meantime. Sascha recently spent a week with the regions teams at our UK development centre to begin planning for his porting work. We are hoping to release TEGB Central and North for P3D before year’s end, maybe sooner.

 

I don’t have loading time or performance issues with TEGBS for P3D, especially after the 4.5 patched release of P3D. Please be wary of forum ‘noise’ about performance issues from a few dozen people, when the majority of customers are just using the product without posting on forums.

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5 hours ago, macca22au said:

Dominique:  I am on the record as saying strongly the XP v P3D debate is tiresome and unnecessary, each to his own I say.  And also I accept the Orbx is a thorough going business, with a large and expensive staff ( I mean in total wages bill), and must keep bringing in revenue.  JV has gone a long way to ease my fears, but I still can't help some delicious conspiracy explanations.

If MS2020 is as revolutionary as it is made out to be, it will shunt P3D aside, and if I was Orbx I would be MS's best friend at this stage, and negotiating on the production of scenery for them.  If on the other hand LM P3Dv5 is good enough to counter the surge from MS then there are literally hundreds of airports, not just Orbx, now on the market, and yes there are regional packages from other publishers also on sale. Note MS has stressed third party involvement.

XP will always have a devoted group of followers and therefore seems fine for continued material to be published, if the market is big enough.

My guess is a MS2020 shunt...unless it fails to accommodate study level commercial aircraft, or at leas of the standard of Aerosoft A320 which is also part of other conspiracy theories.

I must stay alive until I am 81 to resolve all this speculation.

 

We are hiring 3-4 more GIS specialists and texture artists for our UK Dev Centre. They will be involved in creation of new landclass textures for openLC and LC regions. We do intend to broaden our LC region reach to different parts of the world, for sure.

 

With regard to the new MS simulator, we’re very excited about its entry into the market and as MS have already publicly committed to working with third parties then I am confident there will be opportunities for Orbx and the many other FS development studios all over the world.

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54 minutes ago, dominique said:

When we were young and stupid, we used to say in France, 'be realistic, demand the impossible'  ! 

Mai 68 ;)

 

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11 minutes ago, John Venema said:

 

We are hiring 3-4 more GIS specialists and texture artists for our UK Dev Centre. They will be involved in creation of new landclass textures for openLC and LC regions. We do intend to broaden our LC region reach to different parts of the world, for sure.

 

With regard to the new MS simulator, we’re very excited about its entry into the market and as MS have already publicly committed to working with third parties then I am confident there will be opportunities for Orbx and the many other FS development studios all over the world.

 

So I was realistic after all to demand the impossible  ;) ! Seriously, these are truly excellent news, thank you John !  With the reactivation of the OpenLC program announced on July 10th, we need now Tim Harris to announce a third opus in the PNG saga and we will ask nothing more until September.

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Thanks for giving us much more detail, JV, we all have to wait and see - although your gossip sources are probably much more informed than ours.

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1 hour ago, John Venema said:

With regard to the new MS simulator, we’re very excited about its entry into the market and as MS have already publicly committed to working with third parties then I am confident there will be opportunities for Orbx and the many other FS development studios all over the world.

As Microsoft have stated, there will be an offline mode for MSFS, which will be truncated compared to the online mode which will stream much scenery data into the sim. I can see Orbx making a play here in creating offline mode scenery for the many people who will not have the required internet speed to stream scenery data or wish to sim in an offline mode. The great thing with this is if Orbx decide to create offline mode scenery, then very modern tech should be able to be implemented as the platform and SDK would support modern tools, methods and other technical goodies. Can you imagine the beautiful scenery that Orbx can create within a modern platform and corresponding SDK. 

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It stands to reason that if MS have committed to third party content that long standing developers will get involved at some point. However, based on our previous involvement with FSX and Flight any such involvement has to respect their rules and as such you simply won’t get developers to provide any insights into what is going on, as exciting as the new sim is, or as eager the community is to glean more information. The same rules are true for Lockheed Martin, Laminar Research and was with Dovetail Games. I’d imagine the first developer who breaks ranks and says too much will likely be the first one to be shown the door.

 

So our position is that for any news, updates and insights you should only ever rely on https://fsi.microsoftstudios.com/ and not community gossip, conjecture, hype or theories.

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8 hours ago, John Venema said:

 

We are hiring 3-4 more GIS specialists and texture artists for our UK Dev Centre. They will be involved in creation of new landclass textures for openLC and LC regions. We do intend to broaden our LC region reach to different parts of the world, for sure.

 

With regard to the new MS simulator, we’re very excited about its entry into the market and as MS have already publicly committed to working with third parties then I am confident there will be opportunities for Orbx and the many other FS development studios all over the world.

 

Is someone at Orbx still working on something related to Aerofly FS 2...?

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On ‎7‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 2:01 PM, John Venema said:

Orbx has two streams of development:

 

1. Independent Contractor Developers for Airports - these are well known 'brands' like Jarrad Marshall, Misha Cajic, Matteo Veneziano, Ken Hall, Tim Harris, Marcus Nyberg, Scott Armstrong, Bill Womack, Tore Stranden,, Andreas Hegi, Finni Hansen, Maurizio Giorgi, Allen Kriesman, Jordan Gough and a few others. Sometimes some of these developers simply lose their 'mojo' and leave projects for months or years at a time, or never go back to developing.

 

These developers are independent from Orbx in that they develop to their own schedule, part-time or full-time, and without deadlines imposed in their contracts. Orbx acts as their publisher and gives them access to our libraries, shared tools, online store, installer and obviously marketing resources etc. We cannot control the rate of their output, nor when their projects will be finished. This group also develops 99.9% of their content for P3D exclusively, and provide their files to Orbx who then may port to other platforms

 

OK, now I understand why this loose arrangement leads to some, otherwise excellent, payware airport projects not being completed correctly and requests to fix major bugs ignored.

It would seem it is down to the integrity of individual developers and not ORBX. Disappointing!

 

Dave

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On 7/29/2019 at 2:59 PM, Dust2Dust said:

Going back to what OP was talking about, and specifically referring to him receiving email from ORBX, may I ask if there's a way to receive only prepar3d-related emails in my inbox? 

+1.  All the XP emails are annoying when you don't use XP.  Especially when they are in the majority of emails.

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Nick, with current technology it must be possible to filter emails so that P3D users don't get emails relating to X Plane.

Of course for those who have both platforms they would get all mail notices.

Regards

Ken

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I am sure there must but it seems that it is not in place at Orbx Direct.

As a matter of interest, how many e mails have you received from

Orbx Direct about X Plane 11 product releases this year?

I have received eleven since the 1st January.

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1 hour ago, Nick Cooper said:

I am sure there must but it seems that it is not in place at Orbx Direct.

As a matter of interest, how many e mails have you received from

Orbx Direct about X Plane 11 product releases this year?

I have received eleven since the 1st January.

Nice to be informed of the new offers, and if I am not interested in that offer, I just use my mail programs delete button, and thats it.

 

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