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Griphos    49

Okay, finally got a chance to do some flying.  I wasn't satisfied to do my usual short hop from one airport to a neighboring airport.  I took off from 8S3 and then Y-moded (I forget the real name for this feature) all over the place.  Flew over Portland (man, I'll be glad to get my new build done....I need it for those amazing cities), and I can't even begin to tell you how impressed I am at the realism.  I did a loop over some suburb on the east side and as I was doing the "downhill" portion, I got a good look at the houses and streets and vegetation...MAN!!!!.....hard to believe I wasn't looking at reality!

But I digress.  My point is that I "warped" to a number of little airfields all over Oregon before finally landing at 6S2, my new little favorite airfield, Florence Municiple.  I've been wanting to fly from it ever since my wife and I spent our 20th anniversary north of there this summer.  I flew it in default FSX once when we got back, but that was a sad, sad experience!  But in PNW, it was amazing.  I could see where the little cabin we stayed in should be (it wasn't there, of course, but the terrain was amazingly faithful).  I could see where Heceta Head lighthouse should be, and once again, the terrain and even the little roads to the parking area and lighthouse were there and were accurate.  It was like revisiting.

I digress again.  MY POINT is that I can't believe how nice ALL the default airfields are in this scenery.  Every little airfield I flew over or near had great little buildings and planes parked around.  I have no idea whether they are accurate, but they sure are scenic and realistic! 

I'm sorry I didn't take ss.  People have been enthusing over the amazing mountain scenery, and rightly so.  I flew down the Dalles and there's wonderful spray over the dam on the river!!!  What a treat.  But I just wanted to mention something I think might be even nicer than that great mountain scenery in some ways, and that's when you get through drooling over it as you fly and get ready to land, you're going to be able to land just about anywhere and have a super realistic and pleasant experience.  Gone are the grey strips in the middle of unmarked scenery.  They have been replaced by full-fledged little airfields!!

What a superb job you guys have done.

Thanks.

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Boogus    17

I second this opinion with much enthusiasm! I am totally amazed with the details and accuracy. A few years ago I lived in Oakridge Oregon - a simple rural town in the mountains between Eugene and Bend. I started a bush flight out of Oakridge, their small but unique rural airport. Immediately the improvement over the default airport was amazing. And the moment I became airborne I noticed the accuracy of many more details ... The twists and and turns in the beautiful Willamette River - each little bend and turn. All the obscure logging roads we used to drive around and explore are all there. The campgrounds, the subtle landclass differences in the upper and lower valleys, the industrial areas and so much more. They are all placed in the correct areas - it was like I went back to visit in person. Orbx has done quite a job here! I can't imagine how many marathon hours and late night work it took - staggering.

Now the best part!!! An amazing exploration journey I have ahead of me - to trek up the Oregon coast and on up towards The Olympic Peninsula. I look forward to exploring every airport - thanks so much Orbx!

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Neil Hill    221

Hi guys,

Well as the "airport guy" I thank you for the very kind words.  All airports were revised, within the limits of the ORBX objects available, to be as accurate as possible.  I rebuilt them with Google earth as my guide and all airports, except some in the upper areas of canada, have reasonable coverage.  Now with Bing "birds eye" views sometimes available things can be even more accurate.

Please enjoy these airports, then the 100"s of hours I spent creating them will have been worth it.

My favorite: 3W5, Concrete, WA

Cheers, Neil

 

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wavn    9

Hello Neil,

Enjoying now very much discovery journeys in PNW with my Aero L39 Albatros: just now visiting CYCW.

You have made all these airports a pure peasure to visit  :D.

Thank you very much!

Willem

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wavn    9

Hello Neil,

Enjoying now very much discovery journeys in PNW with my Aero L39 Albatros: just now visiting CYCW.

You have made all these airports a pure pleasure to visit  :D.

Thank you very much!

Willem

Edited: ohh: posted again  ::) ; would only undo a spelling failure  :)

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sightseer    266

I have yet to find an airport that doesnt have little goodies at it.

Today I went to 5S0  (from KONP Newport, passed Eugene, to 5S0) and there were cars and a plane and a truck and a trailer and a garage with a propane tank.  I almost thought I heard a radio playing there for a minute :)  was it John Denver or Neil Young?  not sure...

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Tailgunner    0

I second everything said. Wonderful job. I'm particularly happy because I love little grass strips - amd my cup overfloweth! Big thanks, Neil.

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I wish to add my cudos to you, Neil.  I had created a highly detailed Harvey field and Firstair (Monroe) for fs2004, so I'm intimately familier with those airports and each structure on them.  While your structures are semi-generic, your placement and selection of near shapes is really quite good.  Pretty impressive if all you used was Google Maps.

I just landed on Vashon Muni, and the landing (uphill of course) was quite delightful. 

Bob

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Naji    0

Hello, Bob, and kind regards from me as well :). Hope you're doing fine. It is really nice to see you around here!

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Thanks so much for the warm welcome.  Holger, I remember meeting you at the users conference in 07.  Congratulations on continuing to contribute meaningful advances in expanding this sim.  I was quite surprised to find you on this team, and it played a big part in my buying this product.  Of course, this is the home turf, and I've always wanted to see the Orbx techniques first hand, so the combo of all things was irrisitable.  Thanks for the links to the Harvey project...blast from the past.  It was nice for its time, but those old shots sure show up the advances we enjoy in fsx, especially the high resolution we can use to decorate terrain or custom vector polys.  Naji, nice to see you too....been several years.  I'm honored that you remember me!  JayKae, nice to meet you.    I'm feeling some temptation to do some freeware to make this project even better!  The old itch starting up!

Best regards,  Bob Bernstein

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Neil Hill    221

Greetings Bob,

Well, I have to tell you that your's was, to me, a GREAT compliment indeed, you're one of my scenery heros.  I loved what you did for Harvey and was sooo dissapointed I couldn't get it into FS9.  I live in Lynnwood and have visited Harvey and Monroe in person so that was a big help in modeling them.  Staying within the objects available was a challenge and in several places I had to get real creative. 

If I knew in advance how much time it would take to model all those airports (~ 470) I probably would have said no, but you know the saying, fools walk in where angels fear to tread.  Google earth was a necessity, with Bing maps we can get even closer (trying to tell what a building looks like from an overhead shot is interesting, I relied on the shadows for a LOT of information).

Again Bob, many thanks for your nice comments.

Cheers, Neil

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BroncoBilly    0

Hi guys,

Yes, even my little 0S9 (Port Townsend) looks much better.  Of course Ive already butchered it a little, making space for the Horizon Dash-8s I have fly in there (Thanks UT2) to add a little interest, and of course my private hanger and taxiway.....The sight of the Dash-8s lifting off that little runway is incredible.

I live pretty close and can be your "field man" if you ever want to do more, but then Lynnwood is not far away.

Thanks.

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This is fun, kind of a meeting of locals!  I'm in Lake Forest Park, so connections would be easy.  I will be limited to time, however, and announcing a particular project would obligate me for more time than I'm comfortable with.  I think I'll start small, by providing Monroe hangars, and office area.  I've always found that Airport to be charming, as the hangars have a unique shape that reminds me of the 1930s, and the office is a trailer with an interesting porch.  To make this compatible with the standards of Orbx, I'm guessing one would batch into a single draw call the line of hangars, and fore-go the individual decorations per hangar to enable that.  It could be more interesting with a different spacing of items like phone booths, which could batch to a second draw call.  For the office, I'd just use LODs, and let the drawcalls fall where they may.  I'll try standard excludes to see if I can replace some of the generic objects without disturbing all.    Neil, Bill,  this sounds right to you?  -Bob

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Neil Hill    221

Wow Bob,

I'm sure anything you would do for PNW would be GREATLY appreciated.  I essentially "work?" under Holger and he was the hard working, all knowing project lead for PNW (he probably has a few other names for it!!) so he is who would be the contact person for any contribution you might wish to add.  There are a number of projects, payware and freeware, under consideration that will be starting up after the initial release hubub resides.  I did the photos for Darrington and (upcoming) Concrete and this spring they'll probably send me out for more so there are definite plans for more addon's, anything you would do could be added.  I'm excited already!

Lake Forest Park, I could have, in my younger days, almost thrown a rock an hit it.  Yes, we will definitely need to get together.

Retired, but too busy to appreciate it.

Cheers, Neil

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Very cool, Neil.  The last time I did a photo shoot, I was lucky to have Bruce Thun escort me around Thun Field, but he was clear I wasn't to wander without him.  I have a full set of photos at Thun that I've never processed, that was going to be my followup to Harvey/Monroe, but then I went to grad school, and then ... and then... and now, its now!

When I did Monroe, the office manager was pretty laid back, he was interested in the flight simulator himself.  I also met with Candace Harvey and her kids and was welcomed to take photos.  Have you done similar with the manager at Concrete and Darrington, or do you just walk on and cross fingers?

Bob

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Neil Hill    221

Hi again,

Well, at Darrington I called ahead and got permission which was no problem.  When I got there I checked in with him before I started taking pictures.  If there was a person around the buildings I'd let them know what I was doing before taking pictures and overall I had no problems.  At Concrete I couldn't contact anyone ahead of time so when we (my wife and I) got there I looked around for anyone, but nobody was around so I started taking pictures.  Finally I ran across some people so I chatted them up and explained what I was doing, and why.  Here I no trouble either

I took pictures at Sequim also and had no problems, if I spotted anyone I would explain what I was doing.  One person came out of a hanger and asked what I was doing but as before when I explained I had no trouble. 

Most people are understanding when I mentioned flight simulator and some were downright excited about the prospect of getting their airport/hanger into FSX.

Neil

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